G	Dave Winer is [redacted]
	I may have mentioned this before
Phil	yes he is
	has anything in particular caused this probably-justified outburst?
G	http://archive.scripting.com/2005/10/08#When:4:23:06PM
	The orange XML icon is an abomination.
Phil	yes
	without a shadow of a doubt
	it's a blight on the internet
G	It's ugly and it doesn't represent what it does *at all*
Phil	hang on - didn't he even admit that the other week when he was posting about a new orange "subscribe" button to be used with Yahoo!!!! ?
	http://www.reallysimplesyndication.com/2005/09/26#a970
	"I worked real hard to get the NY Times on the RSS bandwagon, for example, only to have them mark up their page with dozens of "Add this to My Yahoo" icons. Wow. What an eyesore." - fucking hell! the nerve!
G	I wonder what his position on mailto icons is
	"Use the animated gif of a letter being written and jumping into an envelope, stop re-inventing"
Phil	ha! :)
G	Also, he overloads the xml icon on his own site
	1 to point to an OPML file, one to point to RSS
Phil	excellent!
	you mean you can't figure out what to do with an arbitrary XML file?
	you're not worth talking to.
	*spits*
G	Does XML now mean "something an aggregator may or may not be able to handle"
Phil	god knows
	he clearly can't even decide himself
G	And his blog template is shite
	For the "father of blogging" he has an unreadable, no page per article string of conciousness, unclear article boundry, fragile permalink mess.
Phil	wow, he not only overloads the white-on-orange XML icon, he also uses a different icon to link to another OPML file
	yes, trying to navigate his blog is a nightmare
G	Usamajility!

Google's new aggregator

Phil:

http://www.google.com/reader Everyone knows about it now. I have no words for how bad its interface is. Jesus fucking Christ. I'm expecting a lot more photos to crop in Flickr tagged with both "Google Reader" and "this is broken". My two in there should be enough to give you some rough idea. no words.